Just browsing and found this PNY9800GTX+ at Newegg for $85 AR with free shipping. Should be an equal to the Radeon 4850 BB closed out in some locations for $85+tax. This is the one with the 738mhz core clock 512mb of memory. Pny rebates have tended to be slow but reliable for me. 12 weeks typically. Considering that this card is 188mhz faster in the core clock and 400mhz faster memory but less than the average 9800GT price at Newegg and $5 more than the PNY 9800GT AR, this is a steal.